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A MALE VIEW | June 16th 2008

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In response to Sabine Durrant's controversial feature "Are men boring?", Marcus Berkmann does some soul-searching. Perhaps all that chatter about football and road traffic isn't fascinating to women, but men certainly understand each other ...

From INTELLIGENT LIFE magazine, Summer 2008

Are men boring? It depends who you ask. It's like driving. Every man believes that he is a remarkably good driver; the problem is all the other idiots on the road. So no, obviously I'm not boring. I'm witty, charming and celebrated for my small fund of endlessly repeated anecdotes across three continents. Other men, though, can be crashingly dull.

Fran Lebowitz once wrote, "The opposite of talking is not listening. The opposite of talking is waiting." This particularly applies to men, most of whom have an urgent appointment elsewhere. There you are, happily sharing your thoughts with them on a number of fascinating subjects, and their eyes are glazing over, and they are looking at their watches, and jumping up and down. But should you pause for breath, as everyone has to sooner or later, they will leap into the momentary silence and fill it with their own pressing and important opinions. Which may or may not have anything to do with what you were just talking about. Indeed, if they do have anything to do with it, it'll be a complete coincidence. They weren't listening, you see.

You meet the woman of your dreams. Miraculously, you hit it off. Cut now to the restaurant, the low light, the expensive-but-not-too-expensive bottle of wine, the waiter who fancies her too, the very moderate food that costs the earth. None of it matters. You are telling her about yourself, and she is telling you about herself. But there's one difference: tomorrow she will remember what you said. Whereas three weeks from now, when she has told you half a dozen times, you still won't remember her sister's name, or which of her parents was murdered by flesh-eating serial killers. Or was that her best friend? Because you have to work so hard putting on your listening face, you have no mental energy left to do any listening.

Talking, though: we're good at that. All men are interested in, and well informed on, a wide variety of subjects. Themselves, obviously. Football. And, of course, transport. Wherever three or four men gather together, the first thing they will talk about is how they got there. Did you take the A436? Ah, no, the bypass is down to one lane because of road works. While the women find out what's going on in each other's lives, the men exchange local-radio traffic reports. And that's before they start talking about their cars.

On certain subjects, each man is an expert who will brook no opposition. I have a friend who sees a lot of films and listens to a lot of music. Half of what he sees or hears is brilliant, genius, the best thing ever made. The other half is rubbish, useless, a disgrace. There is no middle ground. Mediocrity is a mere rumour. His opinions are forcefully expressed, and he doesn't expect yours in return. Almost every man has a friend like this. Even my friend like this has a friend like this, who he says drives him mad. Never listens, apparently. Totally dogmatic about everything.

Can we change our ways? Obviously not. What would we talk about? Besides, opinion masquerading as fact is the fuel of almost all pub conversations--or pub arguments, as they become after a few drinks. And how do we stop these arguments, before people start throwing furniture? With the strategic use of man's most powerful weapon: the fantastically boring trivial fact. Did you know that Alan Shepard was the first and only man to play golf on the moon? Instantly everyone falls into a deep and dreamless sleep. Sometimes it's quite useful to be boring. Better a long, boring life than a short, interesting one, anyway.

(Marcus Berkmann is pop critic of the Spectator and author of "Rain Men", "Zimmer Men" and "Fatherhood".)

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The primary difference

Submitted by Johnny (not verified) on June 17, 2008 - 03:22.
The primary difference between men and women in terms of talk is that women speak in the first person, with most topics revolving around the self, whereas men tend to speak in the third person, choosing topics external and independent of themselves. For a man to talk about how shocked he was to hear "blank" is to filter "blank" through himself and hence to speak in a feminine way. For a woman to talk about trade disputes between the US and china is to speak in a more masculine manner, ignoring herself and concentrating on the thing outside. But to say that talking about selves is somehow deeper and more important that talking about things is just a value judgment with no more significance than a favorite color.
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Marcus is sheltered

Submitted by Lou Perryman (not verified) on June 19, 2008 - 20:29.
Gee, Marcus, did you send this to your mum? I'm sure she will approve if you haven't yet. This is worse than Sabine's drivel.
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Re: The primary difference

Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on June 20, 2008 - 06:59.
I wonder how much research Johnny put into his post? Have you thought about the possibility that some languages may not even have a first person option? It appears to me that you have only proven what both articles said to some degree or another; that sometimes men just don't listen. You apparently can't hear anything women are saying other than that which (in your case) makes you feel just a bit more intelligent and philosophically superior to your female counterparts, probably the result of a rather large ego, one that allows you to throw terms such as "primary difference" out on the table as though you were an absolute authority.
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Ha!

Submitted by derek (not verified) on June 20, 2008 - 19:53.
I think "visitor" above just inadvertently proved Johnny's point.
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womens conversation

Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on June 21, 2008 - 16:37.
I sometimes sit and listen to a group of women 'talking'. The reason I can't join in is that I genuinely have a) no idea what they are talking about i.e. shoes, emotions, gossip, or b) no interest in shoes, emotions, gossip.Also I can never figure out how they randomly jump from one topic to another with impunity and can so so much about nothing at all. I have much better things to do with my life like watching the rugby or going for a run.
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Boringness as Power

Submitted by Ari (not verified) on June 24, 2008 - 20:01.
An article in the New York Times Magazine a few years ago argued that a female bullying strategy is to change the topic of a conversation to one that isn't shared by the party being bullied--e.g., a friend or event the other person isn't connected to, or purses and make-up when one party present is a man. Of course, this is also rudeness--but the key idea is that creating a boring conversation can be an aggressive tactic, not just a personality flaw. [And men's football talk might be the same thing, except that it's perhaps more insensitivity than aggression.]
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Wow. Reading both Sabine

Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on July 24, 2008 - 19:01.
Wow. Reading both Sabine Durrant's original article and these comments makes me feel like I am living in an alternate universe... My male friends, family, and partner are all fascinating and compelling conversationalists, and if you came across a group of my female friends, you would be infinitely more likely to find them arguing about international politics than gossiping or sharing their 'emotions'. To write off an entire gender (either male or female) as boring is terribly sexist and offensive, and if you are doing so, you clearly need to get out more and meet some new people.
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Because all men and women are the same?

Submitted by Colin (not verified) on June 23, 2008 - 03:42.
To write an article like this is the same as saying "all black people steal." or "all jewish people are cheap." This is a gross prejudice of all men. There are women who do nothing but talk and never listen, and there are men who do nothing but talk and never listen, it's not one gender or the other. Why is it such a trend to hate men lately? And the fact is, there are some people who, if tuned out, you don't miss anything because they just say the same things over and over, whether they're a man or a woman. An article like this is nothing but a sad attempt to impress the trendy social circle that believes that men are a problem, women have none, and all the men need to solve their problems and accept women for all of theirs. Perhaps YOU may do this, but you do not represent the entire human male gender.
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Good lord, Colin - thank you

Submitted by Visitor (not verified) on June 23, 2008 - 21:55.
Good lord, Colin - thank you for bringing a bit of common sense into the comments section. I will happily second your statement of "Why is it such a trend to hate men lately?" as well as your opposition towards generalizations. And who is the author of the original article, "are men boring?" to suggest such a title? Perhaps there should be a follow-up titled, "Are women short or tall?" Even better, "Is Sabine an Idiot? Or Just Lonely?"
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Visitor.."Is Sabine an

Submitted by Sergey (not verified) on June 24, 2008 - 10:27.
Visitor.."Is Sabine an Idiot? Or Just Lonely?"..thank you, this is really cool ;)
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If I shut my eyes hard enough I get super rose-tinted blindness!

Submitted by Will (not verified) on August 6, 2008 - 21:16.
So...men and women aren't all the same then? There are clearly gender differences that aren't equal and balanced and as such the article is nothing at all like racism. These articles are a product of a modern desire to objectively explore these differences and an attempt to get to grips with them, albeit in a lighthearted way. Your comment basically amounts to ignoring the issue.
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Who's round is it?

Submitted by Doug (not verified) on August 7, 2008 - 12:18.
Ahh yes mines another stella please!
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